The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. Yeah why wouldn't it? Lets assume competent players who don't gamble. The tracks make it immune to long 88 and actually work as spaced armor against HEAT. Armor profile is meh also and they are abit slower than the tiger 2s surprisingly. yes in the real world and on paper, but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. Kingtigers are best tanks for german tree even if it has nerf. While the M18 can potentially be used for flanking regardless of tier--this is true of any vehicle--it is also a vehicle that can be wiped out even by lowly 1.0s. It's just so effective and has a good size-able ammunition pool. The Arado B-2 has a great flight model, very maneuverable and easy to pull up out of a dive attack. The turret is 200mm thick unless you shoot the edges. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? That ammo should not be stock! And T topically blow up now if you go through the turret. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. Oftentimes, if left unharnessed, the cannon birds have better potential to destroy multiple targets. You have the turret, lfp, and anywhere on the hull as long as you don't hit the tracks. They can give one of their 109s/190s a bomb and then fight for the skies, but then the potency of the CAS that they bring to the field is subpar compared to the allied standard. But to argue the tiger 2 has a worse hull than the T series is a joke. And its mo different than tiger 2 players shaking their turret to get a bounce. The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc. The turret armor isn't much. So saying it does bad thing in a downtier goes whichever way you draw it. In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. FW 190's can go for air targets and ordnance is sufficient to bomb a tank and strafe lights. Depends on the BR really. And the T series has a thick turret but the tiger 2 has a better hull. But you can reach it fast enough as it'll be on your quarter of the map, the faster tank is the one whoneeds the half map. SIKE German mains am I right? You can't aim when they shot in your direction. They die as soon as literally any heavy pulls up and just the purpose of giving the enemy free RP and SL. Because they know that there will be most probably a trap when they arrive at the cap point. Meanwhile, a king tiger hull down has 185mm frontally(with no trolly double layered spots or crazy angles), 100mm on the sides and 80mm on the rear, and it's ammo is stored in the turret for an easy 1 shot. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. These same players will often say that German vehicles lesser mobility means the Germans simply cannot compete with the more nimble Allied vehicles--ignoring Germanys other merits. Welcome to r/Warthunder. Wouldn't you agree that having a small and fast vehicles helps immensely to flank? Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. And here comes the issue with uptiers. Thats because the Germans don't have more modern light tanks in the game. Be always aware of this. Let me repeat that. And their armor won't save them. Pointing it down doesn't do anything as I've found. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. In general, German win rates are in the 40s even at their lowest and this means that they're near the balancing point (the 45-55% range, being within +/-5 of 50%). Because its slow and big? they're glass cannons. Or if the hull is exposed, anywhere of the hull. Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. He travelled over doctor oz supplement ed Greece and Arabia, and wrote a history of the doctor for gods, in which . Also since ground ai. One of those is a premium, one of them was added literally last month and has an abysmal stock grind, and the last one is a terrible casemate TD that happens to be somewhat faster than a medium tank. Like bombing out caps or sniper ridges. Germany's problem,at least when it comes to ww2 vehicles, is lack of brawling vehicles past 5.7. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. He will retreat and find a way around you. That is impossible, you need somewhat of a team. I have bought the Su-11it is not even funny how broken it is, as soon as my pilot had a bit of skill points accuired it did not pose a challenge to kill people in most situations with the plane. Yes, with an M18 I am also eaily killed from the front due to lack of armor. Just an observation maybe its just me. T__ turret has double layered spots where it goes as high as 300mm, angled cheeks, and is straight up thicker even at it's weakest points. Just hide behind a hill or a tree and wait till the panther finally arrives, and then shoot that big juicy target in the side (i do that all the time, the best vehicle to kill king tigers is actually the M56 Scorpion). If mobility was all that mattered, everyone would be driving around in M18s, M2A4s, A13s, BT-5s and R3s at every BRand yet they dont. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. And I've never had issues with the breach on a T series unless I've hit the outside of it or its well past 500 meters which is were the 88 will struggle you can still go through the hull of it but need to be more cautious as a whole. His portfolio includes five books and several hundred historical articles.". Noone does the same with panthers. Panther 2s didnt disappear. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. A Pz IV F2 can also lol pen a KV-1, Churchill or ARL-44 and probably knock them out with one shot from either front or side. What makes teams such an acute problem? Useful on certain maps. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. Maus at 7.0? Puma 50mm Panzergranate has pretty low post pen damage on higher tier tanks. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. On 11/02/2020 at 01:49, Stuhlfleisch said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. MidCii; Jul . And the stock ammo of the german M48A2C is the same as the US/Chinese M48A1, but somehow the US/Chinese M48A1 is at a higher BR. As said above, aircraft carriers don't exist in arcade. All these three things are in fact WT top tier meta. I'd recommend not making part of the argument then to begin with, The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. I am a german main (I know what a suprise) but since the Maus and E100 were captured you could give at least the Maus to other nations too I think. Long 88 can one shot a T__ but in my experience you have to go for the shot trap, which is a risky shot. Yeah, how is that even an argument? You don't exactly want to pull a pivot turn when in city combat, with it's horrible side armor. Everything about the HRE, NGC, GE, WR, GR, SP, FRG and GDR. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans. Most guns can penetrate it from the front. 2. As for the Panthers' turret traverse, except for the D variant, all are quite well suited for engagement at medium to long ranges. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. Forming a wide line and covering each other. This line comes up in many venues and references many things--but what does it mean? As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. Just check the loadout on allied planes. The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. Thats because the Germans don't have more modern light tanks in the game. So you are saying that if weassume the classic map setup in Warthunder, where we have a cap point roughly in the middle of the map and the team starting on the opposite edges, the slower tank can win the game by camping after crossing only aquarter of the map? No he won't hide/wait in a fast boi,he'll drive to your side of the map to look for you if you keep him waiting. By Then you have very bad chances to win as USA, since you won't be able to flank them. 3 . they turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. Least I've been setting off ammo in them basically everytime. First of all the amount of smoke the projectile generates when it strikes a target is ridiculous. there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. Meanwhile the M18 will be sitting in the ambush or going around the cap into your back because he know that you will not dare to cap. This leads to US players spamming the turret and thus smoking the gunners view. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. I lately used my FW190 D13 with one 500kg bomb as Fighter/Ground Attacker. Thus then other nations get the impression that Germany is both OP, but still their players while about wanting better tanks. Even then you aren't going to see UK tanks in 100% of your matches. #15. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. By and large, Germanys main strength is firepower with armor being the secondary asset. When you have 2 identical vehicles performing differently by a noticeable margin with the only variable being the people who play them, it really makes you wonder. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. Just shoot turret for an easy penetration anywhere within 2km, and watch as the king tigers ammo gives a nice firework display. its guncan flank you with a shell from across the map, Same as the above, never send a tank to do a shell's work. Which he can only do if he knows where you are, you can't flank what you can't see now can you. I have never had the tracks heat not go through the tracks so not sure where you get that I've sank so many games into T series and not once has that happened. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. Just an observation maybe its just me. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. 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