We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. body would be a pretty slender person. feat fan Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. At Tiger Stadium, 45 miles south of here, Sparky Anderson's trim, young players shagged fly balls, hammered line drives and loosened their arms over the weekend in preparation for Tuesday's opening game in San Diego against the Padres. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. eddiek mets Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. January 12, 2011 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. What an interesting parallel, huh? Bobster1985 His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. This auction is for a: Mickey Lolich Pastry Shop 1982 Original Negatives2-24mm of Mickey Lolich, Former Detroit Tiger, in His Donut and Pastry Shop - 1982 All negatives originate from a working archiv bob saunders Kooz He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Shari Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Rusty played another decade. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. May 6, 2003 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. He later resurfaced with the Padres. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. [8] He began his professional career playing the 1959, 1960, and 1961 seasons with the Knoxville Smokies of the South Atlantic League and the Durham Bulls of the Carolina League. October 2, 2005 Really? But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. February 28, 2003 In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. March 18, 2001 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. He started 45 games and completed 29. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. October 19, 2011 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. September 25, 2013 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. December 20, 2019 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. We are going all the way!" Bob P His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. May 7, 2013 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Lolich was a fine pitcher. MR. Sparkle This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. support. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. August 7, 2002 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Rusty played another decade. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! The point is he made a bad team worse. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? April 24, 2003 April 6, 2012 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. December 13, 2007 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Jay July 15, 2016 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. November 19, 2002 October 4, 2006 Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. June 2, 2006 October 19, 2011 I he one who turned the 1968 World Series into a personal showcase, winning three games and the MVP award. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Really? Raymond Malcuit Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. December 13, 2007 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. April 30, 2009 End of Line He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. June 30, 2019 What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Bobster1985 November 12, 2006 So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? etc. Bob P We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Max Power July 15, 2016 Bobster1985 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. feat fan Shari I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Larry Burns Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. June 30, 2019 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. He attended Lincoln High School in Portland and posted a record of 19 wins against 5 losses for the school team in 1958. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Donut Shoppe Patron In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Mickey loved his Harley. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. That would make him a star in today's market. We are going all the way!" Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Agree Lolich has never received his due recognition. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. November 12, 2006 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Man, he was a big one. =Chuck= Mickey loved his Harley. October 19, 2011 He later came back to play for the Padres. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Jim Snedeker He pitched very good ball for you. Really? He later resurfaced with the Padres. Gary from Chesapeake The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Former Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich looks on and smiles before throwing out the ceremonial first pitch prior to the Opening Day game between. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. (thankfully returning in '81). October 2, 2005 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Shari March 2, 2003 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. April 30, 2009 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Ms. Blanche Sims, graduate of LO High School in 1895 and a teacher for 50 years. Bartolo Colon etc). However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. mets The. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. September 24, 2005 April 6, 2012 So why did you try to destroy the guy? 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