But those things are not what they are hired to do in megachurches. ___ I bet Mac Brunson is now going to become on of the Calvinistas. If we then love God we will/should obey God, or so Jesus said regarding himself. @ Sopwith: Pastoral care fits, here. And I do not want that. 2. a person who protects, guides, or watches over a person or group of people. Prediction: I bet he resigns from the IMB and this is the first step to getting his ducks in a row. Preaching is fun. Many in the radical reformation rejected that idea as unbiblical. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Silence, as the cancer stealthy grows? Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments and what were his commandments if not both love God and neighbor and also go ye into all the world . Imagine how differently the church would impact the world if the money spent on buildings and salaries went to meeting needs? When I went to the CBE conference in Florida recently, we had communion and the person serving me communion said Julie Anne, this is the Body of Christ. Now, of course, it wasnt as special as Bills because this woman didnt know me except from the weekend, but I noticed how personal it felt. He will have no administrative or pastoral duties other than simply preaching on Sunday. And all the travel time. What I see happening is horrifying. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? Abandoning the Arnold Smartarse joke for a moment (! (2 Corinthians 11:3), Bet your proverbial @zz, MBC is being played, Spy Seminary professor. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? I wouldt read too much into that experience. Incidentally, that is. He has spent some of those weeks off preaching at Advance conferences. For all the problems which have been pointed out about SBC Voices, Dave Miller, et al, made sure that the speakers at the 2017 SBC Pastors Conference (the prelude to the annual SBC gathering/business meeting) came from small churches (< 500 members) and, though all were male, they were not all white. You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. That makes me sad. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. http://www.wadeburleson.org/2017/06/the-southern-baptist-international.html. More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. How interesting would it be if someone at the UK conference asked Thabiti or one of the 9Marks reps why Mahaney was exempted from church discipline when others are subject to it? This is true. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? Ezekiel 34 describes, unfortunately, false shepherds. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. One is an outgrowth of the other. Platt, the senior pastor of McLean Bible Church in Northern Virginia, is now caught in the middle of a scandal that is reminiscent of events that took place in 2019 at a The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. stroke. His book is biblically sound and his church is experiencing major changes, but its an existing Southern Baptist church. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. The salary thing is often a deflection. It is an honor to have your presence and your concerned comments here at The Wartburg Watch. The Church is there to train us, teach us. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. Because healthy community is missional. However, I can tell you as a senior pastor type that its hard to find the funding to hire enough pastors to make that a reality. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. But I could be mis-understanding you. The suffering of self-sacrifice in this tent of meeting will produce the godly character necessary for ministry unto the LORD, and then unto others. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. The Creator takes precedence, and His revelation of Himself is central. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? The ESS controversy is a great example, but there are more. This type can be described as an unusual repetition of sounds or rhythm. They allege that these government churches have sold their soul and their freedom to the State (according to their critics, the First Amendment already makes them tax exempt anyway). Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. (Not that I think that is important but since the writer harps on that I just thought Id mention it.) In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. Many of us take seriously Jesus telling us to have no man as our father in that sense. Isa. Never did. I do see the Body of Christ doing all those things, and more, but not paid clergy. It is much more than that and there are many, many Christians who do this quite well without drawing any attention to themselves at all. The worth of something is predicated upon its cost. And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. And, I dont see church life as being an effective way to keep theologians from getting off-track. And on top of that, we do not get paid for taking care of my mother with dementia and her other health problems, my grandbaby with special and high time consuming needs, or trying to battle against the babys father who pretended to be a Christian and now has threatened to kill my daughter and take the baby to Fiji where his family lives and his father is a pastor of a church there. And that was his only job then. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. He could have one or not, but telling everyone when you first meet that he does NOT tells you something and its not a positive thing. How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? It is a very odd collection of characters. God. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. Same here. As a variation on the theme, ISTM that they want to be honoured as gurus without growing into functioning role-models. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. The Holy Spirits indwelling Presence IS our witness. it wasn't when we spent 10 years in inter city ministry and certainly not the 60 hour week my husband put in hoping on day his boss will finally honour his words and we can buy in to the company after using his name in a limited parntership where due to the financial mess of '08 we haven't seen a bit of profit but have had insurance go up 40 percent. Sure, theyll get a real piece of work for a pastor now and again, but hes usually removed before the damage can escalate. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. Paul instructed Timothy to give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching (1 Tim 4:13); to take pains with these things, be absorbed in them, to pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching, and persevere in these things. Is he doing word studies on every single Greek word? Even if he mostly avoids distractions from pesky parishioners and students, and mostly recycles and repackages his content, theres still unavoidable meeting time with the church staff who tend the flock, grad assistants who grade the papers, TGC comrades, researchers, editors, publishers etc. I totally disagree with that concept. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. He was preaching at this annual thing called The Northern Mens Convention in Manchester although I dont know what the subject was. Dont get me wrong, the Bible is a great and wonderful thing, and as far as holy books go it has no equal. We wouldnt if they said they wanted a pole dancer, a stripper, and free beer. Using the same idea to answer another enigma, why did Mark Dever himself give up the entire 9Marks system in order to protect C.J. . To be fair most denominations have never heard of him as the lawsuit has not received any media coverage over here. // David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. This gets dicey when one looks at Jesus own descriptions of the judgment, with Himself as the judge, and He spells out what people whom He knows look like in their behavior. Well just have to agree to disagree. Thats a pretty sweet return for using the name of Jesus in vain for two to three hours, and the people bought his junk by the droves on that proverbial table at the back of the room by the door. One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. InDavid Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? Do you think Platt is making a permanent transition here? If not we are just setting up idols. Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. When The Tron church heft the CofS their website said they were goingto join the International Presbyterian Church. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. In my experience, this is a typical response of FIEC church leaders and it is a cowardly of saying I dont want to know! So sadly I doubt that any of them would care. What does this mean? The same is true for many ARC churches. It is the body of Christ -Rachelle. When I emailed him asking to clarify if he believed working moms are disobeying Gods call, he forwarded my letter to an assistant to respond and I never really got a clear reply. Seems like a focal point. (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). To shepherd is literally to feed. Also, the church scattered (during the week) is where much evangelism and service takes place, because they have just been fed on Gods great love. I know, I mean, how many golf stories can one hear? They say they study and write sermons for 20-25 hours a week. Id say it takes me anywhere from 8-15 hours to put together a new sermon depending on my familiarity with the passage. I dont view Christians (during the week) as scattered. Im not sure what title is appropriate for the job hell do there (Lecturer? Could be. Hes doing well. Reading the letter, it strikes me also that the elders etc. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? We have all heard the idea that Moses had a speech impediment, since he tells God that he is chevad peh and chevad lashon (Ex. ADA Jesus, You Are Able His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. Will David visit me in the hospital if I am ill? Still, he remained there 8 years and was sent off to the IMB with cheers and praise. He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. 7). We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. David and his wife, Heather, have four children. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. We could argue this stuff back and forth until the ice sheets start moving South again and it would accomplish nada, zilch, and zero. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. Their doctrines are like leaven and Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Yes, sometimes. Does theology (study of God) take precedence in your schedule? Being paid an honorarium for each sermon is not a salary so one wonders if this is all spin. He recognized this and lived his life and ministry appropriately. David respected Saul as Gods anointed, even though he had good cause against him. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching (5:17). He will preach without being involved in his church-unless he is cheating in other areas. MBC has a full-time administrative pastor and staff, and it seems that they are happy with Platt bringing the star power. And its the craziest thing ever. Washing disciples feet delegate. unable to endure sound doctrine of bitter, the roughage of whole bran, the artisan heavy-bread with its uneven texture and low-glycemic index but a lasting satiety which sustains the hungry soul! @ Mandavilla: Ed Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, https://thouarttheman.org/2014/03/11/docent-group-should-dump-driscoll-and-hire-mahaney/, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBOG8BRcdY, http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vnQc59N-w, http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf, http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5R08xDC6c, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao, http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LML6SoNE7xE. @ Tree: Id be very interested. Absolutely we are to proclaim the LORDs death till He comes. Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. . It is a sad fact of mega-church psychology that people like to be associated with stars. __. More amazing is members will do so. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? The interim setup is weird, the IMB Trustee statement is really weird, and the Platts have moved their kids to MBC. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? I wonder when. It seems Billy Graham has the gift of evangelism (gifts of the Spirit to the church, Rom. Exodus 40 10-17 we see that God appointed Aaron as spokesman for Moses. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. (Cars, housing, funding for private schooling for his children, etc.). Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. I dont believe there is invested (maybe you meant vested?) After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? But, I try to see every person who comes to me as a long lost brother or sister. Or a CEO or accountant looking at the budget and deciding youre too expensive. olks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. To understand him better, read his book Radical. And once fully addicted to the mind-blowing joy of preaching to a captive audience, who on earth wants to grub around in the tedious undergrowth of mundane serving of others? They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. (or is it just me) Like when he says Can't Keep, InsignifiCance, and a face in the Clouds; just a few examples. Platt is a proven winner especially among a certain psychographic and he is a young man who can be in the pulpit for many years at MBC. Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill I suggest you spend some time in your 10 hours of studying Gods word to review what is involved in being a pastor. Mahaney and Wayne Grudem repeatedly regurgitate the same few sermons time after time. Well, I am officially terrified of diverticulitis now! He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. have you guys even listened to his sermons?? We ought to consider again what we are putting on the LORDs table and to who we are accountable: the hungry souls, and the One who blesses, breaks, and gives. This is it in its entirety. It looks like he is staying on. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. Augustine of Hippo, author of The City of God? I get your point but you will also notice in Acts 2 that believers had all things in common, met daily in the temple and broke bread together in homes. How to Resign from a Church So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? I wonder whether you can ever meet with ANY ordained clergy person at MBC. @ Lydia: Are you prepared to refute the lies of Cultural Marxism spewed by many of todays leading evangelical pastors and authors? I am surprised the IMB would go for this. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. WebSpeech impediment, or speech disorder, happens when your child cant speak or cant speak so people understand what theyre saying. Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. Jesus called us friends not pets. In the year I have attended MBC, I have NEVER known a single person sitting next to me at service. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. ADA Only You Jesus Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. Or is FIEC the T4G/TGC/9Marks beachhead in the kingdom? Thanks! To shepherd is literally to feed. Also, the church scattered (during the week) is where much evangelism and service takes place, because they have just been fed on Gods great love. So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. You happen to gather at a home, is how I view this. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. I had often wondered whether they just liked to hear themselves speak? Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Week in the hospital with IV antibiotics and drains (after a few days on NG tube and Foley no fun), then recuperating at home for a month on a restricted diet. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. April 2004. not just attend! Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. Thanks, very insightful from your experience with boots on the ground. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. His church, brookhills, (or whatever the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. That kind of New Testament model? They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. One time my former FIEC church had Don Carson come to preach and my friends were so excited by it. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. Will Its people slump into a false religious quagmire of fifteenth century religious darkness? (That may be why they havent pushed us too hard to sign the old one. Best regards, Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? As JMJ over at Christian Monist would frequently point out, theres a LOT of Guilt Manipulation in the church. Not a people person, very opinionated despite his humble exterior. I found your comment fascinating. Lay people are the backbone of the church. Both Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler at one time were spokesmen for Docent a company you pay to research and write sermons for you. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). They just say they do. As thoroughly-Domesticated as North Korean Population Units. I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. And, while theyre about it, lay hands on and pray for them. Before we get into this post, let's take a look back at the views that Ed Stetzerhad about his former pastoral role in churches. GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote: @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. But have you ever noticed the way he kind of empasizes the c sound. 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